Paul Hirsch won an Oscar for his part in editing "Star Wars" (1977)


Hirsch has edited a number of Brian De Palma films


Paul edited the famous attack on Luke Skywalker by a Tusken Raider


He uses a number of editing methods to make scenes play well


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By William Kallay

A magician doesn’t reveal his tricks. Neither does a film editor. At least not all of their tricks. A film editor might let you in on some of the methods of his trade, but that’s it. And that’s okay with us.

Film editor Paul Hirsch, ACE (American Cinema Editors) is one of the most respected editors in the business. A frequent collaborator with director Brian De Palma (“Carrie,” 1976—“Mission: Impossible,” 1996), Hirsch has cut some of the most popular and well-regarded films in modern cinema. Some of the other De Palma films he’s edited include “Phantom Of The Paradise” (1974) and “Blow Out” (1980). He’s also worked with John Hughes on “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off” (1986) and “Planes, Trains And Automobiles” (1987). In 1977, the world was introduced to some of Hirsch’s outstanding editing skills on a little film called “Star Wars.” For that film, Hirsch, along with Marcia Lucas and Richard Chew, was awarded an Oscar for Best Editing.

In 2004, Hirsch edited the Oscar-winning biography of singer Ray Charles. “Ray” earned not only critical and audience accolades for its unflinching portrayal of Charles, but it also earned Hirsch an Oscar nomination for editing.
Paul Hirsch, ACE

What is film editing? In one way, it’s an art form in which a film can come together into a cohesive final cut that audiences will see. Is it basically about cuts? Cut one scene here, another one there, and bingo, you have a movie! No, it’s not that simple. Editing is a combination of factors, including creating a rhythm and pace, bringing out emotion or tension in a scene, and essentially creating a story. But it’s also about keeping the audience interested in focusing their attention on the screen. Film moves through a projector at 24 frames-per-second (fps). In some instances, even five seconds of screen-time can be murder on an audience. Long takes, especially if done repeatedly and if the story isn’t that interesting, can leave an audience cold. Good editing can take five seconds, three seconds, or even a few frames of a film, and make them satisfying to the eye.

Hirsch was kind enough to talk to FSTDVD about his work as an editor and provides our readers some insight into editing a film. Does this magician reveal all we need to know about editing? Not quite, and, as Hirsch will reveal, that's the way it ought to be.
William Kallay, From Script To DVD: When you decided on a career in film, was film editing your first choice?

Paul Hirsch, ACE: Yes. I was attracted by the tools. I always liked to work with my hands, and the power of the Moviola to stop on a frame, and even go back, was unheard of in ordinary life.

FSTDVD: Did you learn how to edit in film school, or on your own?

Hirsch: I was taught how to thread up and operate a Moviola by a negative cutter I assisted for about 6 months. Based on this little bit of knowledge, I represented myself as an assistant editor to a company that was seeking to hire one. It was a trailer house, and the editor there was Chuck Workman. He was overwhelmed with work, and gave me a 10 minute "featurette" about the making of "The Thomas Crown Affair" (1968) to cut down to 3 minutes. The client, UA, liked my work, and I was given one to do from scratch, on "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" (1968). They liked that too, and I started cutting regularly. I did trailers for "Seconds" (1966), an early Peter Medak film, as well as for Cassavetes' "Faces" (1968). I then cut the trailer to "Greetings" (1968), which my brother Chuck produced, and Brian De Palma directed. Brian and I hit it off and I cut his next five films. Brian taught me a lot about the difference between cutting trailers and cutting features. And my two other great teachers were trial and error.

FSTDVD: On a film production, when does your job begin?

Hirsch: It depends on my relationship with the director. Herbert Ross invited me to sit in on the casting of "Steel Magnolias" (1989). I was there when Julia Roberts read for him. Sometimes, I just read the script and that's it.

FSTDVD: Once you’ve cut the picture, does it go to the various sound departments for Foley, ADR, and sound design/mixing?

Hirsch: Yes and no. It does go out to those departments, but we don't stop cutting. They simply have to catch up with whatever changes we make. I once asked Herbert if he ever "locked" the picture. "Why should I put myself under that kind of pressure?," he replied.

FSTDVD: “Star Wars” is the film that you won an Oscar for editing. What are some of the signature scenes that you cut together?

Hirsch: The robot auction when Luke and his uncle Owen buy C-3PO and R2-D2; R2 in the canyon captured by the Jawas; the scene in Ben's home when they hear the urgent message from Leia; the destruction of Alderaan; the Cantina sequence; the swing across the chasm; Ben's fight with Vader and his death; as they escape with Leia, and much of the final battle, including Luke's trench run. Almost all of these were recuts of earlier versions that George [Lucas] was unhappy with.

FSTDVD: Does a story dictate the rhythm and pace of a film, or are these elements you bring to the picture?

Hirsch: Some of the rhythm comes from the director and the actors; how they play the scenes. Sometimes you have to take a stronger hand in keeping the pace up to where you think it should be. I always say to actors, "pause at your own risk." A pause is an effective tool for an actor, but it can be overused. An editor has to act as the conductor of the piece, judging when the tempo is too slow, or too fast, and whether the movements are too long, etc.

FSTDVD: Has digital editing made your job easier to do, or do you miss working with film through a Moviola, or a flatbed editing machine?

Hirsch: I think the Avid made the work easier and the job harder. It is an enormously powerful tool, and extremely liberating creatively, since in film, you have to destroy one version to cut an alternate. It has freed up the aesthetic possibilities, but it has also invited more people into the process. It has become somewhat commonplace for groups to sit behind the editor and suggest changes, like at a [sound] mix. Nothing good ever comes of this. Decisions made in such settings are usually policy, not aesthetics. The most successful pictures I have worked on have, without exception, been the product of a collaboration between me and the director, period. This is true of “Star Wars,” “Footloose” (1984), “Carrie,” “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off,” “Mission: Impossible,” “Steel Magnolias,” “Falling Down” (1993), and “Ray,” among others.

FSTDVD: What kind of editing equipment/software do you work on now?

Hirsch: I work on Avids with Unity shared storage. That's about as much as I know about hardware.

FSTDVD: Editing isn’t merely cutting scenes together, and making cuts of dialogue work. Can you explain to our readers some of the additional tricks of the trade you use to make a scene work?

Hirsch: Magicians never reveal their tricks to the audience, not to protect themselves, but to protect the audience. If you understand too much about how the illusions are produced, it takes away the magic. People can never really know what goes into editing a movie, anyway, not even other editors. Sometimes the greatest contribution I make on a picture is cutting a scene out. It can make the whole thing work, and watching the finished film, you would never know it.

FSTDVD: Do you work with the director while editing?

Hirsch: I like to do the first cut on my own, following only my instinct about how it should be cut. Then, I work closely with the director to make any changes they wish, to make it accord more closely with their own particular sensibility.

FSTDVD: You’ve worked with Brian De Palma on a number of films. Would you mind telling our readers about your working relationship with him?

Hirsch: I once asked Brian about a shot I had seen in dailies, and wasn't quite sure how he wanted me to use it. "You're the editor, you figure it out!," he replied. So that's how we work. I cut it, he looks at it, we change it together.

FSTDVD: Is the style of editing today different from the days when you started editing? And, if so, how do you feel it's different?

Hirsch: There are more different styles employed today. Pictures used to be cut only in a Classic style. Directors today use styles taken from commercials or music videos, which I call Mannerist (in the manner of these other forms). There is less concern about creating the illusion of real time or real space, and the cut can become the event rather than the action between the cuts. There is also some experimentation with Cubist cutting, in which an action or scene can be depicted over and over from different angles. Kubrick did this brilliantly in "The Killing" (1956), but he had to rely on voice-over to guide the audience through it. Today's audiences are better educated in the language of film and can grasp more challenging and abstract forms of story-telling. I find that the fascination with cutting per se, as an aesthetic, is kind of decadent. The most interesting films, in my experience, result from characters in whom the audience is interested, and a story that keeps you wondering, "What will happen next?" The cutting should be in service of the dramatic effects, not an end in itself.
Paul Hirsch, ACE Filmography (Source: www.imdb.com)
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol (2012)
Righteous Kill (2008)
Date Movie (2006)
Ray (2004)
The Fighting Temptations (2003)
The Adventures Of Pluto Nash (2002)
Mission To Mars (2000)
Lake Placid (1999)
Mighty Joe Young (1998)
Hard Rain (1998)
Mission: Impossible (1996)
I Love Trouble (1994)
Wrestling Ernest Hemingway (1993)
Falling Down (1993)
Raising Cain (1992)
Dutch (1991)
Coupe de Ville (1990)
Steel Magnolias (1989)
Planes, Trains & Automobiles (1987)
The Secret Of My Succe$s (1987)
Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986)
Protocol (1984)
Footloose (1984)
The Black Stallion Returns (1983)
Creepshow (1982)
Blow Out (1981)
The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
The Fury (1978)
King Of The Gypsies (1978)
Star Wars (1977)
Carrie (1976)
Obsession (1976)
The Money (1976)
Phantom Of The Paradise (1974)
Sisters (1973)
Hi, Mom! (1970)         
Special Thanks To Paul Hirsch
Photo Credit: Paul Hirsch photo William Kallay (© 2005 From Script To DVD)

Originally posted here on March 11, 2005

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